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21 December 2005 @ 10:12 pm
hey, ive got this thing buggin me for days, so i thought id ask you guys,
but this probably has been brought up. =P

What if the Hyuuga clan really wanted to keep their bloodline integrity? would
they have inter-marriages in the clan? I mean, if the hyuuga would want to keep
their byakugan 100% pure, they'd do that right? well, maybe at least the main
family has to do it, not the branch?
Dreams of Blue Skydreamsofbluesky on December 21st, 2005 02:25 pm (UTC)
....! Ive wondered about that too. And its not just the Hyuuga's - I mean so far we havent actually seen any signs of mixing between the clans. (white-eyed Inuzukas with an affinity for bugs, anyone?) >__>
Magic Flakesgreenalarm10 on December 21st, 2005 02:37 pm (UTC)
yep! if like, neji and tenten, and hinata and naruto were to wed, their child would likeley have a 50% chance in obtaining byakugan. ^_^
Al'angstyalex on December 21st, 2005 08:40 pm (UTC)
I don't mean any offense at all, but where did you hear this? There's never been any canon mention as to the genetics involved in Byakugan. :/
It's even been suggestd that some Uchiha never awaken their sharingan, or some sooner... it could very well be the same with Hyuugas, which means that of course the genetics involved don't matter- all Hyuuga (or those related) would have the chance chance as any other... assuming this is true.
Cosmo-san: kick assblooming_cosmo on December 21st, 2005 03:42 pm (UTC)
I don't think Kishimoto is concerning himself too much with genetics. We haven't really seen any confirmation of it (haven't seen Neji or Hinata's mother). And even then like you said it's not genetically impossible to obtain the byakugan if there is marriage outside the clan.

But I really don't see Kishimoto binding them to marriage in the main house. I say this only because Kishi is having Hinata have feelings for someone outside of the Hyuuga clan. They should all have the free will to marry/get together with anyone they feel like in theory, but I guess we'll have to wait and see how Kishimoto handles it. =/
Al'angstyalex on December 21st, 2005 08:37 pm (UTC)
I don't claim to be exceptionally intelligent on these matters, but here's my two cents.

( My post assumes that you mean a forced mariage between Neji and Hinata.)
This question gets asked all too much. A forced marriage that takes any real splotlight (EG- not just mentioned) will never happen.

1. It will rip away all Hinata's development of standing up for herself, not backing down, choosing her own path. She'd be bowing to others again, and all her development will be for nought. Kishimoto will not have that.

It would be the same as Neji. What does Neji want? What is his one goal? Freedom from his seal- to have something as big as marriage- the rest of his life, his destiny- controlled by those responsible for his seal... Not only would he never do it if 'forced', but Kishimoto wouldn't either.

Naruto is a manga of happiness, choosing one's own destiny, playing against the common Japanese mentality of 'anonymous in mediocrity'. Naruto is a manga where true love exists, good triumphs over evil, and all the other cliche stuff we love. However, obeying a terrifying system of control, to the point of marriage without love, has no place in this manga, plain and simple.
That is not to say, however, that there could not be love in a forced marriage, and is not a comment on the NejiHina pairing. I am speaking in terms of a marriage COMPLETELY forced... everyone has their own subjective views on Neji and Hinata, and their relationship. Now, continuing to leave the 'feelings' or relationship side out of things, let's move on...
To sum it up, a forced marriage devoid of emotion would destroy the development of these two characters.

2. Who has ever said that the Hyuuga bloodline is pure, or that the Hyuuga are a product of inbreeding? It had never been stated, and is entirely speculation. While fanfiction tends to twist our vision of the Hyuuga clan (grr! Hiashi is ebil, he will EAT Hinata! The Hyuuga 'Complex' is huge! There are billions of Hyuuga!), we have NEVER been shown any Hyuuga other than Hiashi, Hizashi, Hinata, Hanabi, Neji, and the old Hyuuga in the room with Hiashi during chapter 105. (The line of Hyuuga shown in Neji's flashback during his match with Naruto is not canon; it is not in the manga.)

While the word 'clan' seems to suggest a lot of members, I think it'd be reasonable to assume that the Hyuuga are small in size.
Even remembering that Hinata and Neji are Cousins, and that they belong to two different Houses, there have only ever been two Houses (families) mentioned. This doesn't allow for a huge clan, and certainly not a lot of inbreeding.
A lot of things in Naruto seem to depend on some predetermined 'talent', versus hard work. It is not unreasonable to believe that, just like some Uchiha, some Hyuuga can never use their Byakugan. This would make the '100% pure Byakugan' thing invalid anyway.
To sum this up, we've never been shown enough Hyuuga to make any grounded speculation about inbreeding; their similar looks are explained by the fact the are cousins and that theyre drawn by the same mangaka, of course. XD

3. I had a point 3, but I forgot. :(
Cosmo-san: stayblooming_cosmo on December 22nd, 2005 12:37 am (UTC)
XD, you're so brilliant I love it. Very nice points.
Al'angstyalex on December 22nd, 2005 05:28 am (UTC)
Thank you. X3 its the coffee. the coffee does it, i swear.
-writes french assignment frantically- D:
Cosmo-sanblooming_cosmo on December 22nd, 2005 05:34 am (UTC)
OMG COFFEE! It gives you super powers I tell you! *remembers her all nighter* Good luck with your assignment D:
Al'angstyalex on December 22nd, 2005 05:37 am (UTC)
LOL. /I/ remember reading your all nighter too. It made me sad, reminded me of the time I didn't sleep for 2 nights. But we don't talk about that. XD;;

Seriously though, this french is killing me. What the futur conditionnel tense of avoir again? @_@
Cosmo-sanblooming_cosmo on December 22nd, 2005 05:44 am (UTC)
Oh what a grand night that was XD

Oi, French. Had it before...don't remember a thing about it. -_-;
Al'angstyalex on December 22nd, 2005 08:48 pm (UTC)
(Anonymous) on December 22nd, 2005 09:53 am (UTC)
Actually, in the flashback to Hinata's birthday in the manga, a total of 10 unknown Hyuuga are visible (one's feet in the foreground, 5 behind Hiashi, 3 behind Hizashi, and an additional one opposite the viewer partially obscure by Hiashi).

Also, the two guys behind Hanabi on her and Hiashi's reaction shot to Neji's first clone-whoopin' appear to have all white eyes, but it's hard to tell because they're distant and the rest of the people in that row shown earlier looked normal, so I'm gonna give that one a probably-not.

Personally I support the idea that the Hyuuga marry outside the clan (I agree that they seem fairly small, and a clan that would go to such lengths to preserve a bloodline would never taint it with inbreeding) and only those children born with Byakugan actually become Hyuuga. That would provide an additional explanation for the lack-o'-moms, at least for the Hyuuga characters.
Al'angstyalex on December 22nd, 2005 08:50 pm (UTC)
Ah! I'd forgotten about that scene; but my point still stands- there aren't more than the two family's worth fo Hyuugas shown (IE- Branch Family, Main Family).
Alison: tifasonnie_skies on December 22nd, 2005 01:12 am (UTC)
i've done this argument before! i must resist.

but genetics are WAY too much for kishimoto, bless his heart
Magic Flakesgreenalarm10 on December 23rd, 2005 12:15 am (UTC)
wow, ive got to say, those points really do have points! i mean, this is so well speculated, youre so gooD! thanks!
Tentenlau_kun on March 28th, 2006 02:39 pm (UTC)
Guys, if we're talking about genetics here...

Did you know that marriage between first to third degree cousins could cause certain abnormalities to their child? Um... say... Down syndrome or autism... and lots more. I'm not fibbing. I should know something about that since I'm a health science major. And if that would be the case, marriage between Hyuuga members is sort of impossible because THEY would've discovered its bad effects ages ago. All of them looked normal enough. And none of them were revealed to have a member suffering from autism or down syndrome. Eheh.

So... in my opinion, NejiHina is a little impossible because they are FIRST DEGREE COUSINS; and NejiTen fans, a flicker of hope lights the path of our overidden imaginations. XD

Oh yeah... I don't know if it's canon or not but I've read something about the Sharingan developing from the Byakugan whatchamakolit... I don't know. I just READ. Somewhere on the vastness of my IE browser. XD